There are a number of cases reported where patients who were dying of malignant tumours that destroyed almost the entirety of the brain, confirmed by radiological investigations like CT scans and MRI, waking up and discussing their lives and imminent death, lucidly.
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Terminal Lucidity & the Nature of Consciousness
by Sea Breeze inno, this isn't about suddenly becoming aware of how much you hate airports.
it is about people with profound brain impairments like mental retardation, alzheimer's, stroke and dementia (often in a coma) suddenly becoming normal and lucid shortly before passing away.
this is important because the wt teaches that consciousness is a function of the physical brain.
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Terminal Lucidity & the Nature of Consciousness
by Sea Breeze inno, this isn't about suddenly becoming aware of how much you hate airports.
it is about people with profound brain impairments like mental retardation, alzheimer's, stroke and dementia (often in a coma) suddenly becoming normal and lucid shortly before passing away.
this is important because the wt teaches that consciousness is a function of the physical brain.
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Sea Breeze
No, this isn't about suddenly becoming aware of how much you hate airports. It is about people with profound brain impairments like mental retardation, Alzheimer's, Stroke and Dementia (often in a coma) suddenly becoming normal and lucid shortly before passing away.
This is important because the WT teaches that consciousness is a function of the physical brain. How can this be when the brain is so impaired as to make consciousness impossible? We should re-visit ALL of what the WT taught us now that we are more aware than ever of their total depravity.Example:
"Kathy was among the most profoundly disabled of the patients at the asylum. Happich (her physician) paints a vivid picture of her mental status. “From birth on,” he writes, “she was seriously retarded. She had never learned to speak a single word. She stared for hours on a particular spot, then fidgeted for hours without a break. She gorged her food, fouled herself day and night, uttered an animal-like sound, and slept … never [taking] notice of her environment even for a second.” ....As if that weren’t enough, Käthe suffered several severe meningitis infections over the years that had damaged her cortical brain tissue.
Yet, despite all this, as the woman lay dying ...Wittneben, Happich, and other staff members at the facility gathered in astonishment at her bedside. “Käthe,” wrote Happich, “who had never spoken a single word, being entirely mentally disabled from birth on, sang dying songs to herself. Specifically, she sang over and over again, ‘Where does the soul find its home, its peace? Peace, peace, heavenly peace!’” For half an hour she sang. Her face, up to then so stultified, was transfigured and spiritualized. Then, she quietly passed away.”
The WT seems somewhat unique among religious groups to insist that there is no consciousness after death.
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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?
by DoubtingThomas ini am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....
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The WTBS led me to the Truth (Bible), and I've embraced it!
DT,
I'm curious. How do you expect to survive the judgement after you die as described in Hebrews 9:27 while personally rejecting the blood covenant offered for the forgiveness of sins in Mt. 26: 27-28
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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?
by DoubtingThomas ini am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....
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Sea Breeze
There is an Appointed Time were the vengeance of them both will happen!
You seem to be a very angry person DT.
Jesus is called the Prince of Peace. He said that he "didn't come to judge the world, but to save it". You sound just like my JW father who's favorite scripture (that he quoted over, and over, and over since I was a small child) was Jer. 25:33"Those slain by the LORD on that day will be spread from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned, gathered, or buried. They will be like manure on the surface of the ground."
If you treat people like shit, you will eventually find a verse that seems to promote your lack of compassion toward others.
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Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?
by DoubtingThomas ini am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....
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A unique teaching of JW's, presented as "good news" is a two-tier salvation - one with the new covenant and one without it. This of course was unknown to the apostles.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 1: 8-9
So, when you jettison the WT leadership, make sure you stop preaching their salvation without the blood covenant. Unless you want to be cursed along with the WT. -
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@ DT
According to you, we are ALL Trinities!
Of course..... made in the image of God.
The problem is that JW's do not believe what the bible says about themselves, and so they also reject the nature of God - also a tri-partite being..... like us. The WT taught us the exact same view about the nature of man as atheists & secularists believe: You are only made up of material matter and consciousness is not separate from the body.
In addition to the 1 Thess. verse I quoted earlier, other passages teach that we are made up of three parts - soul, spirit & body:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow (the body)
Genesis 1:26-27
"Then God said "let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.... So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them"
According to this passage, God created man "in His own image". Reading the above passage, the question that has to be asked is what is the image of God? What does He look like? John 4:24 tells us: "God is Spirit"
God is not flesh but Spirit. That is His image. Therefore, when the Word of God tells us that God created man according to His image, it means that in addition to body and soul, man also had that which is the image of God i.e. spirit. In order to understand better the usage of the phrase "in his image", here is another place where this phrase occurs:
Genesis 5:1-3
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, In the likeness of God made He him; Male and female created He them ; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth"
This passage says that Adam begat a son "in his own likeness, after his image". What does it mean? It means that as Adam was, so his son was i.e. as Adam had hands so Seth had hands. As Adam had feet so Seth had feet etc. As Adam was body and soul so Seth was body and soul.
Similarly, when the Word says that God created man "in his image", "in the likeness of God", what it means is that as God is, so Adam was. God is not flesh. He does not have feet, hands, head. He is spirit. So as God is spirit so Adam is spirit.
One could ask, why did God make Adam a spirit as well? The simple reason is that without spirit Adam could not communicate with God Who is spirit. God being spirit, communicates with our spirit."The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the sons of God".
You cannot receive the messages of a radio station unless you have a radio receiver. Body and soul are enough for things of the five senses. But when it comes to the things of God, what you need is spirit.
This is also explained in I Corinthians 2:14:
"But the natural [psuchikos in the Greek] man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him: nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
In this passage, the word translated "natural" is the Greek adjective "psuchikos", which comes from the noun "psuchi" which means soul. So, psuchikos means "a soul man" i.e. a man with body and soul only.
According to that passage a man who is only body and soul "does not receive the things of the Spirit of God". To communicate with God you need the appropriate receiver i.e. spirit. That's why the passage says: "nor can he (the man of body and soul) know them because they are spiritually discerned". The man of body and soul cannot know the things of God for the simple reason that such things have to do with the spirit, "they are spiritually discerned", and since he lacks spirit he cannot know them.
The spirit of man was corrupted by Adam and a corrupted spirit "receiver" was passed to his offspring.
This is why Jesus 3 times told Nicodemus "you must be born again".
The terms, soul, spirit & body are referred to with pronouns in scripture; showing that each (either individually or collectively) denotes personhood... such as in Rev. 6:9
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them" -
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Moses, Pharaoh and the Exodus Fairytale
by RULES & REGULATIONS inexodus 7. .
new king james version.
moses before pharaoh.
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Great topic!
We see the same concept in the NT.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind - Romans 1: 28
God's modus operandi is to eventually give people what they desire most. For some, this means total freedom from himself, the Source of life. This is called a reprobate mind in the NT which is complete abandonment to sin and death - where repentance is not possible.
This is what happened to Pharaoh. He had already hardened his heart many times against the nation of Israel. Israel had made bricks and gathered their own straw at Pharaoh's command. (Exodus 5:8-11) Pharaoh had set taskmasters over Israel. (Exodus 1:11). The Israelites were slaves in the land, at the hand of this Pharaoh. He was a very evil, wicked man who had already hardened his own heart. (Exodus 8:15)In addition, it also says that Pharaoh's magicians hardened his heart (.Exodus 8:19),
So, God had a part in it; his own magicians had a part, and Pharaoh himself had a part. Like in a marriage (or a divorce) two wills become one.
In this instance, the will of man and the will of God become one, and both got what they wanted.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESYeIRKYMk&t=125s&ab_channel=PatternsOfEvidence
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Sea Breeze- you're JOKING! They don't even know who the God of Jesus is.
Sure they do. Many of the old hymms sang in churches mention Jehovah just as the KJV does on several occasions.
This 1745 hymm is actually one of my favorite songs to sing in church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT4n1hGjDDg&ab_channel=RonaldEllis
Christendom has been praising Jehovah far longer than than JW's.
Jehovah is a Spirit - John 4: 24
Jesus is a man with three parts, like us. However, he is different than us in that his spirit part shares the same indivisible spirt (essence) as Jehovah... making him both God and man.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:23
- And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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20 hours ago
"There are many good churches that lead people to Jesus."
NAME one...Independent Baptist Churches
Calvary Chapel Churches
Nazarene Churches
Non-Denominational Churches
Southern Baptist Churches
Bible Churches
I would feel comfortable is just about any of these..... after checking them out individually. I was a 4th gen. JW and regular pioneer. -
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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang
by Sea Breeze ina new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.
wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.
that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.
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A few years ago...NASA pointed the Hubble Space Telescope at a dark, blank looking spot in the sky. They left it there imaging for 3 months to catch as much faint light as possible.
The image below is some of what they found. .....10,000 galaxies, beautiful, fully formed spiral galaxies.... supposedly over 13 billion years old. The light gets brighter and brighter and the generation gets longer and longer. Sound familiar?